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The Hacker Mind Podcast: Hacking Real World Criminals Online

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And I remember probably 2000 to 2003 ish, complaining when we when I think it was last year that we were at Alexa, Alexis Park for DEF CON. So he invites me to go to a book that, you know, one of those first black hats and Doug Song was set doing his thing on checkpoint firewall bypass, and I'm sitting there, and a guy named Jeff Nathan.