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The Hacker Mind Podcast: Hacking Real World Criminals Online

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So he invites me to go to a book that, you know, one of those first black hats and Doug Song was set doing his thing on checkpoint firewall bypass, and I'm sitting there, and a guy named Jeff Nathan. CLEMENS: So that was the first time where I thought wow, you know, that was I was just doing the things I normally do being curious.